Heinu Detanina 3x3 VeLo YaDanah... (29a)
The Gemarah at the end of 28b has an involved set of criteria in order to explain the Machlokes of why one can not light with an unsinged wick for Shabbos, ending with the comment of Rav Yosef "Now I understand what the explanation of a Mishna that I heard '3x3 exactly' was refering to" . On the top of 29a Rava gives a a very uncomplex explanation of the Machlokes, which has no connection to Rav Yosef's comment. The Gemarah asks then, what was Rav Yosef's comment referring to? It answers that the explanation Rav Yosef heard was referring to the Mishna in Keilim in which the Chachomim say "3x3 precisely" is Mekabel Tumah.
Why would Rav Yosef have said he doesn't know what the comment he heard "3x3 exactly" was refering to if in fact it refers to a BeFairush Mishna in Keilim? The comment he heard "3x3 exactly" and the words of the Mishna "3x3 precisely" are nearly identical.
posted by Anonymous @ 9:00 AM
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It seems like Rav Yosef didn't just find a braisa with that statement because then he would have assumed it was shitas Chachamim in keilim. His problem (Rashi d"h hainu) was that his rabeim taught him this braisa like it was a chidush. I think that could be why it didn't seem to make sense that it was going on the mishna in keilim. It says there that it has to be exactly 3x3. We don't need Rav Yosef's rabbeim to tell us that. Therefore Rashi (d"h mechuvanos) says that it just meant to tell us that the halacha is like the Chachamim. That would not have been obvious (and Rav Yosef didn't understand it that way) because you would have expected his rabeeim to either just say the halacha is like the Chachamim or at least to use the same word they used and not a synonym.
It seems from Rashi that Rav Yosef understood the word "Metzumtamos" to imply that the halacha only applys to something that is 3x3, but not something larger, so he couldn't say that it refers to the Mishna in Keilim because there a larger item is also Tamei. Rava's explanation is that really something bigger is also Tamei, just the point of the Braisa is to agree with the Chachamim.
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